The #MeToo 'witch hunt'

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#NothingToDoWithMe


The French actress Catherine Deneuve is one of about 100 female writers, performers and academics who have put their names to an open letter denouncing the "puritanism" they claim has emerged in the wake of the recent sexual harassment scandals. The letter, published in Le Monde, also condemns the denunciations, which followed allegations of rape and sexual harassment against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, as a "witch hunt", and claims that men should be allowed "to hit on women".

“Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or cack-handedly, is not – nor is men being gentlemanly a macho attack,” the letter, which has also been signed by Catherine Millet, author of the 2002 bestseller The Sexual Life of Catherine M, says. “Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss.”

The letter also criticises social media campaigns, such as #MeToo, for unleashing a “puritanical [...] wave of purification”.

“What began as freeing women up to speak has today turned into the opposite – we intimidate people into speaking ‘correctly’, shout down those who don’t fall into line, and those women who refused to bend are regarded as complicit and traitors.

“Instead of helping women, this frenzy to send these ‘pigs’ to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty – religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries.

“As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality.

“[Women] sufficiently aware that the sexual urge is by its nature wild and aggressive. But we are also clear-eyed enough not to confuse an awkward attempt to pick someone up with a sexual attack.”

This is not the first time that Deneuve, 74, who is best known for playing a prostitute in Luis Buñuel’s 1967 film Belle de Jour, has spoken out on this issue.

“I don’t think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive,” she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. “After ‘calling out your pig’ what are we going to have, ‘call our your whore’?”

www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2018/01/09/catherine-deneuve-signs-letter-denouncing-metoo-witch-hunt-men/


Thank god for one sane voice.

[mouse]

“Instead of helping women, this frenzy to send these ‘pigs’ to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty – religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries."""
absolutely agree there is a difference in getting the message over that women are not to be groped attacked ..intimidated and or blackmailed
and naming those who have historys... and actual bodily and or sexual harmings ... flashing is indecency not physically harming and not all men are guilty .. only those who are pathetic or who have self inflated ideas of them selves ..



"""she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. “After ‘calling out your pig’ what are we going to have, ‘call our your whore’?”"""
and of course why not name and shame all those who do sleep their way to what ever their goal is .... but then they are mostly already called out by society
every older man with a young bimbo type and out comes the what did she see in him apart from his wallet and bank account
as for sleeping ones way to the top.. well its been done by the best and some of the most iconic of females... their biographies and auto biographies tell the stories

but "" call out your whore """ has a certain ring .. and how the reborn puritans[women being the worst] will or would love to get the chance to call out the women they think guilty.. their newborn faith of morality would be almost a sexual feeling for them .. just as it has been for the self righteous all down the ages

what comes next witch hunts and burnings ?

[Sysop3]

Catherine Deneuve Pens Apology After Criticizing #MeToo Movement


The French film star clarified her position while apologizing to victims.

Following a weeklong outcry after signing on to an anti-#MeToo letter, French film star Catherine Deneuve has published a “clarification” letter in which she apologized to victims of sexual assault and harassment.

Deneuve was the most high-profile of 100 women who added their names to the letter published in newspaper Le Monde that decried the #MeToo movement (known in France as #BalanceTonPorc) as “Puritanical” and called it a “witch hunt.”

In the mea culpa published Sunday night in the newspaper Liberation, Deneuve addressed the criticism that she is not a feminist by reminding readers that she is one of the signatories of another letter, now known as the “Manifesto of 343 Sluts,” in which she declared publicly that she had had an abortion. When published in 1971, the signatories could have faced criminal prosecution and jail. That letter called for reproductive rights and was written by French feminist Simone de Beauvoir.

“That is why I would like to say to conservatives, racists and traditionalists of all kinds who have found it strategic to support me that I am not fooled. They will have neither my gratitude nor my friendship,” she wrote.

“I am a free woman and I will remain so," the actress continued. "I fraternally salute all the victims of odious acts that may have felt aggrieved by this letter published in Le Monde. It is to them and to them alone that I apologize.”

Deneuve also distanced herself from co-signer Brigitte Lahaie, a former porn star turned radio host, who said last week during a televised debate with French feminist Caroline de Haas that it is possible for women to enjoy rape. Deneuve wrote that Lahaie’s comments are “spitting in the face of all those who have suffered this crime.”

However, the Oscar nominee defended her position that she disagrees with some aspects of the #MeToo movement, including the climate of censorship and the mob mentality. “I do not like this characteristic of our time … when simple denunciations on social networks generate punishment, resignation and often media lynching,” she wrote.

Without naming names, Deneuve seemingly referenced two cases — the removal of Kevin Spacey from All the Money in the World and the resignation of New York Ballet head Peter Martins — saying that both faced repercussions “without any other form of trial.”

“I do not excuse anything, [but] I do not decide on the guilt of these men because I am not qualified to. And few are,” she wrote, adding that the hashtag movement cannot guarantee there are no innocent men accused and fired.

Deneuve, however, also gave support to the victims of sexual harassment, adding that she has seen and heard of many situations of directors using their position over actresses. She called for new protocols to combat harassment, with cases being heard in a timely manner. “I believe in justice,” Deneuve wrote.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/catherine-deneuve-pens-apology-criticizing-anti-metoo-movement-1074653

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Jan 15, 2018 0:02:56 GMT -5 Sysop3 said:

Catherine Deneuve Pens Apology After Criticizing #MeToo Movement


The French film star clarified her position while apologizing to victims.

Following a weeklong outcry after signing on to an anti-#MeToo letter, French film star Catherine Deneuve has published a “clarification” letter in which she apologized to victims of sexual assault and harassment.

Deneuve was the most high-profile of 100 women who added their names to the letter published in newspaper Le Monde that decried the #MeToo movement (known in France as #BalanceTonPorc) as “Puritanical” and called it a “witch hunt.”

In the mea culpa published Sunday night in the newspaper Liberation, Deneuve addressed the criticism that she is not a feminist by reminding readers that she is one of the signatories of another letter, now known as the “Manifesto of 343 Sluts,” in which she declared publicly that she had had an abortion. When published in 1971, the signatories could have faced criminal prosecution and jail. That letter called for reproductive rights and was written by French feminist Simone de Beauvoir.

“That is why I would like to say to conservatives, racists and traditionalists of all kinds who have found it strategic to support me that I am not fooled. They will have neither my gratitude nor my friendship,” she wrote.

“I am a free woman and I will remain so," the actress continued. "I fraternally salute all the victims of odious acts that may have felt aggrieved by this letter published in Le Monde. It is to them and to them alone that I apologize.”

Deneuve also distanced herself from co-signer Brigitte Lahaie, a former porn star turned radio host, who said last week during a televised debate with French feminist Caroline de Haas that it is possible for women to enjoy rape. Deneuve wrote that Lahaie’s comments are “spitting in the face of all those who have suffered this crime.”

However, the Oscar nominee defended her position that she disagrees with some aspects of the #MeToo movement, including the climate of censorship and the mob mentality. “I do not like this characteristic of our time … when simple denunciations on social networks generate punishment, resignation and often media lynching,” she wrote.

Without naming names, Deneuve seemingly referenced two cases — the removal of Kevin Spacey from All the Money in the World and the resignation of New York Ballet head Peter Martins — saying that both faced repercussions “without any other form of trial.”

“I do not excuse anything, [but] I do not decide on the guilt of these men because I am not qualified to. And few are,” she wrote, adding that the hashtag movement cannot guarantee there are no innocent men accused and fired.

Deneuve, however, also gave support to the victims of sexual harassment, adding that she has seen and heard of many situations of directors using their position over actresses. She called for new protocols to combat harassment, with cases being heard in a timely manner. “I believe in justice,” Deneuve wrote.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/catherine-deneuve-pens-apology-criticizing-anti-metoo-movement-1074653

the hashtag movement cannot guarantee there are no innocent men accused and fired.


Simply because an accusation is tantamount to guilt and that is not right. It's reminiscent of witch trials: The period of witch trials in Early Modern Europe were a widespread moral panic.

[mouse]

why is she feeling the need to clarify ? are people to stupid to realising that being critical of some aspects... does not mean she supports assaults/harrasement etc etc ...
have we reached a stage were every a word against the present hysteria and what is happening has to be explained and if not explain it is automaticly thought one is in favour of sexual assault etc and has no sympathy for those who have suffered genuine assault and harrasement


"""""the Oscar nominee defended her position that she disagrees with some aspects of the #MeToo movement, including the climate of censorship and the mob mentality. “I do not like this characteristic of our time … when simple denunciations on social networks generate punishment, resignation and often media lynching,” she wrote."""

[Jessiealan]

Some have good reason to complain. I would say having a man masterbate in front of a woman or grab her inappropriately is good reason to complain. That is NOT flirting.

[beez0811]

Having a guy send you a webcam invite via yahoo messenger and he’s masturbating is NOT flirting.

[mouse]

Jan 15, 2018 12:41:58 GMT -5 Jessiealan said:

Some have good reason to complain. I would say having a man masterbate in front of a woman or grab her inappropriately is good reason to complain. That is NOT flirting.

surely grown women can understand what another woman is saying without having to come back and spell it out... surely it goes without saying that that type of action is not right and is revolting behaviour .. and she covered it in her first missive...

""""Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss.”

The letter also criticises social media campaigns, such as #MeToo, for unleashing a “puritanical [...] wave of purification”."""

[mouse]

Jan 15, 2018 21:04:06 GMT -5 beez0811 said:

Having a guy send you a webcam invite via yahoo messenger and he’s masturbating is NOT flirting.

that should copied if possible and then sent to either the police or the mans wife or mother..or workplace .. there are ways to deal with these vermin.... especially if your job or your spouces job doesn't rest on whetther the woman complys or not
and of course in this day and age micro cameras should be used and then used as evidence

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Jan 15, 2018 12:41:58 GMT -5 Jessiealan said:

Some have good reason to complain. I would say having a man masterbate in front of a woman or grab her inappropriately is good reason to complain. That is NOT flirting.

Key word, Jessie - complain.

Until there has been an investigation to establish the facts it is a complaint. The reality, however, is a complaint is a guilty verdict before any investigation has begun. I've posted quite a few examples where the accused was presumed guilty and only discovered to be innocent in the dock at the last minute.

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Jan 15, 2018 21:04:06 GMT -5 beez0811 said:

Having a guy send you a webcam invite via yahoo messenger and he’s masturbating is NOT flirting.

I agree, Beez. I don't know of anybody who claims such an act is mere flirtation. It is clearly exhibitionism.


But this is about due process and post modern law; wherein the accused is guilty simply because he has been accused.



A judge threw out the charges against 22-year-old Liam Allan after lawyers discovered messages showing the claimant wanted and enjoyed the sex she later claimed was non-consensual.

Mr Allan had been on bail for almost two years by the time the discovery was made, three days into his trial at Croydon Crown Court.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-trial-collapse-sex-text-messages-police-funding-cuts-liam-allan-disclosure-phone-innocent-a8113011.html


There have been a few cases of this ilk.


You see,they were accused, so they were obviously guilty, right?

[mouse]

Jan 16, 2018 4:30:51 GMT -5 fretslider said:

Jan 15, 2018 12:41:58 GMT -5 Jessiealan said:

Some have good reason to complain. I would say having a man masterbate in front of a woman or grab her inappropriately is good reason to complain. That is NOT flirting.

Key word, Jessie - complain.

Until there has been an investigation to establish the facts it is a complaint. The reality, however, is a complaint is a guilty verdict before any investigation has begun. I've posted quite a few examples where the accused was presumed guilty and only discovered to be innocent in the dock at the last minute.

an other case of alledged rape proven wrong... that's three in a month
this time it was alledged that rape took place during the Nottinghill carnival.... luckily the defence managed to get hold of what was on a mobile phone.. and no rape happened

the big problem with these cases is that women do tell lies.. and thus make it harder for the real victims... so how about a witch hunt on women who lie and who by lieing make it so much harder for the real victims to get justice
and how about a witch hunt on women who have and are willing to sleep accomadate men for self gain... because its those women who wrongly give men the ideas that most women will sleep for gain
stop blaming men for every thing and start looking at the parts women have played ...it isn't all mens fault any more than it is all womens fault ...and that has to be reconised

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Jan 16, 2018 4:22:49 GMT -5 mouse said:

Jan 15, 2018 21:04:06 GMT -5 beez0811 said:

Having a guy send you a webcam invite via yahoo messenger and he’s masturbating is NOT flirting.

that should copied if possible and then sent to either the police or the mans wife or mother..or workplace .. there are ways to deal with these vermin.... especially if your job or your spouces job doesn't rest on whetther the woman complys or not
and of course in this day and age micro cameras should be used and then used as evidence

This happened before I was even engaged. I quickly blocked him. I have no idea who he is and what he’s doing now. I hope he’s not doing any of that nonsense anymore.

[Jessiealan]

Jan 16, 2018 6:27:26 GMT -5 mouse said:

Jan 16, 2018 4:30:51 GMT -5 fretslider said:

Key word, Jessie - complain.

Until there has been an investigation to establish the facts it is a complaint. The reality, however, is a complaint is a guilty verdict before any investigation has begun. I've posted quite a few examples where the accused was presumed guilty and only discovered to be innocent in the dock at the last minute.

an other case of alledged rape proven wrong... that's three in a month
this time it was alledged that rape took place during the Nottinghill carnival.... luckily the defence managed to get hold of what was on a mobile phone.. and no rape happened

the big problem with these cases is that women do tell lies.. and thus make it harder for the real victims... so how about a witch hunt on women who lie and who by lieing make it so much harder for the real victims to get justice
and how about a witch hunt on women who have and are willing to sleep accomadate men for self gain... because its those women who wrongly give men the ideas that most women will sleep for gain
stop blaming men for every thing and start looking at the parts women have played ...it isn't all mens fault any more than it is all womens fault ...and that has to be reconised

It cannot be assumed any one case is like another. Each must be looked at on an individual basis.

[Jessiealan]

Jan 16, 2018 12:18:04 GMT -5 beez0811 said:

Jan 16, 2018 4:22:49 GMT -5 mouse said:

that should copied if possible and then sent to either the police or the mans wife or mother..or workplace .. there are ways to deal with these vermin.... especially if your job or your spouces job doesn't rest on whetther the woman complys or not
and of course in this day and age micro cameras should be used and then used as evidence

This happened before I was even engaged. I quickly blocked him. I have no idea who he is and what he’s doing now. I hope he’s not doing any of that nonsense anymore.

It is amazing people are so sure they can get away with things like that. I blame Face Book.