josephdphillips
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 26, 2017 9:11:43 GMT -5
Trump "promised" his base they would not lose their health care. What's going to happen when the light finally dawns that it was just another lie? That's not what he promised ME. And all politicians lie. The electorate doesn't regard it as a bad thing, and never did. Your naïvetée seems to grow and grow, Beth. Will you ever learn? People didn't vote for Donald Trump. They voted against Hillary Clinton.
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Post by Dex on Jun 26, 2017 11:28:54 GMT -5
Trump "promised" his base they would not lose their health care. What's going to happen when the light finally dawns that it was just another lie? That's not what he promised ME. And all politicians lie. The electorate doesn't regard it as a bad thing, and never did. Your naïvetée seems to grow and grow, Beth. Will you ever learn? People didn't vote for Donald Trump. They voted against Hillary Clinton. Joe, you don't have your thumb on the pulse of the voters. His loyal following are the ones that put him over the top. They believed every word he said.
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Post by men an tol on Jun 26, 2017 11:37:33 GMT -5
Trump "promised" his base they would not lose their health care. What's going to happen when the light finally dawns that it was just another lie? That's not what he promised ME. And all politicians lie. The electorate doesn't regard it as a bad thing, and never did. Your naïvetée seems to grow and grow, Beth. Will you ever learn? People didn't vote for Donald Trump. They voted against Hillary Clinton. My understanding is similar to yours Joseph. It seems that most people didn’t care for Donald Trump, I didn’t, but relative to Secretary Clinton, there was no choice left, but to vote for Donald Trump. It seems so far that he will not be the President some had hoped for, but he will not be as bad as others feared. As others have pointed out, it appears that he is learning that being President is in some respects quite different from running a business. But as he is learning just because the President wants something it won’t necessarily happen. However, it is quite interesting as to what people allege he has done and they talk about him in the most vile way. It seems to me that people do not understand just how bad off is the United States. What we must do is make the country more business friendly, rebuild our infrastructure, and to rebuild our Military. At the very least this means building five additional fleets. It also means that the federal government must get out of things when it has no reason to be involved. First on that list would be the health system in the private sector.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 26, 2017 11:47:20 GMT -5
you don't have your thumb on the pulse of the voters. I predicted his win, and he won by a sizable electoral majority. His loyal following are the ones that put him over the top. They believed every word he said. You're entitled to your delusion. A sock puppet could have beaten Hillary Clinton. You'll have your chance in 2024.
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Post by Jessiealan on Jun 26, 2017 12:12:15 GMT -5
you don't have your thumb on the pulse of the voters. I predicted his win, and he won by a sizable electoral majority. His loyal following are the ones that put him over the top. They believed every word he said. You're entitled to your delusion. A sock puppet could have beaten Hillary Clinton. You'll have your chance in 2024. Joseph, you are trying to twist Dex's reply into something he did not say. He is correct. The people who make up Trump's base are avid fans. They believe and hang onto his every word. A good number of them are going to be disillusioned when they realize much of his health care rhetoric was, quite simply, lies.
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Post by men an tol on Jun 26, 2017 12:33:12 GMT -5
I predicted his win, and he won by a sizable electoral majority. You're entitled to your delusion. A sock puppet could have beaten Hillary Clinton. You'll have your chance in 2024. Joseph, you are trying to twist Dex's reply into something he did not say. He is correct. The people who make up Trump's base are avid fans. They believe and hang onto his every word. A good number of them are going to be disillusioned when they realize much of his health care rhetoric was, quite simply, lies. Jessiealan, I sure that you sincerely believe that about many who supported President Trump, for myself I think that most who supported Donald Trump first listened to him because he sure wasn’t the professional politician in Washington DC. They continued to listen to him because he didn’t take any crap from those Washington DC professional politicians (including both Democrats and Republicans) and he said what he thought, even when he was wrong. They recognized that he was not one of the smooth and polished politicians. They also recognized that he wasn’t perfect and that everything he said was not perfect. When the race narrowed to him and Secretary Clinton, for many there was no choice left so in the voting booth so they supported Donald Trump. It isn’t so much that they believe every word he says, but that they are so tired of same old thing from the Politician.
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Post by beth on Jun 27, 2017 1:05:34 GMT -5
Trump "promised" his base they would not lose their health care. What's going to happen when the light finally dawns that it was just another lie? That's not what he promised ME. And all politicians lie. The electorate doesn't regard it as a bad thing, and never did. Your naïvetée seems to grow and grow, Beth. Will you ever learn? People didn't vote for Donald Trump. They voted against Hillary Clinton. I agree, some did. Silly people who thought Clinton would do more harm than the Donald. She would have been less than we need, but at least she knew how a government is organized and run. Trump has er ... issues most Republicans don't like to talk about. He needs to get his act together before he actually does us harm. Many (a lot) of those who voted for him hung on his every word and believed his lies. Perhaps those you know on the left coast are more sophisticated in the ways of shysters, but in the midwest and east, naivety runs amok among the down home folk and the idiots as well. Many of them DID trust this sociopath and honored him with their votes. When they begin to realize he played them for fools, they may not feel happy. Unfortunately, the alternative is Mike Pence who might seriously harm us at home but avoid a war Trump seems determined to bring about. All the future possibilities seem bleak.
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Post by mouse on Jun 27, 2017 3:28:47 GMT -5
beth wrote "" at home but avoid a war Trump seems determined to bring about""
war? with ?... if its korea I though the Chinese and the US. were having some talks on that subject...
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Post by beth on Jun 27, 2017 4:42:50 GMT -5
beth wrote "" at home but avoid a war Trump seems determined to bring about"" war? with ?... if its korea I though the Chinese and the US. were having some talks on that subject... mouse, if I'd meant a specific war, I'd have said "the war .. ". Since I said "a war ... ", it's obvious I meant he seems determined to bring about a war .. somewhere with someone. From where I sit, it appears he's dabbling in several possibilities.
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Post by mouse on Jun 27, 2017 5:44:27 GMT -5
oh I see.. I couldn't quite get the point you were making..and am still no wiser of who or why
I notice in todays news the fat dictator is saying that Trump is another Hitler...
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Post by Sysop3 on Jun 27, 2017 23:44:19 GMT -5
GOP Delays Health Care Vote WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans Tuesday postponed a planned vote on the GOP bill to replace Obamacare until after the July 4th recess. The move is a blow to Republican leaders who had been pushing for a vote this week out of concern that a delay would only make it more difficult to pass. But it became clear that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell did not have time to round up enough support in the few days before their desired deadline of Friday. At least five GOP senators had said they were not prepared to vote in favor of a procedural measure that was slated to take place as early as Tuesday evening. That vote was necessary to begin the process that would have allowed the Senate to take a final vote by the end of the week. With no Democratic support for the bill, GOP leadership needs the votes of at least 50 of the 52 Republican senators to pass it. Following the announcement, most of the Republican senators boarded buses and traveled to the White House for a meeting with President Donald Trump to discuss the bill. "We have really no choice but to solve the situation," Trump said at the beginning of the meeting. "Obamacare is a total disaster," he added, "it’s melting down as we speak." "This will be great if we get it done. And if we don’t get it done it’s just going to be something that we’re not going to like. And that’s OK, and I understand that very well," Trump added. "But I think we have a chance to do something very, very important for the public." Following the meeting, McConnell said Trump “got an opportunity to hear from the various members who have concerns” about the bill. “I think the meeting was very helpful,” he said, “I think everybody around the table is interested in getting to yes, interested in getting an outcome because we know the status quo is simply unacceptable, unsustainable and no action is just not an option.” Both conservative and moderate Republicans have expressed reservations with the bill since it was unveiled last week after being written in secret by McConnell and his staff. Conservatives were disappointed that the legislation does not constitute a full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, while moderates in the senate are concerned about the deep cuts in Medicaid spending. www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-delays-vote-gop-health-care-plan-n777266
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Post by Sysop3 on Jun 27, 2017 23:46:19 GMT -5
Don't get your hopes up too much. what's happened here is that a lot of voters have been contacting their Senators and complaining about this bill. They'll try to pound it through again as soon as things settle down.
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Post by beth on Jun 28, 2017 0:28:32 GMT -5
It was pretty obvious from his comments at the WH meeting; tRUMP has no idea of the actual contents of this bill.
He sounded sedated.
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Post by annaj26 on Jul 13, 2017 16:15:14 GMT -5
Okay this is the new revision, but they still have a ways to go. They are trying to appease Ted Cruz with some of this. Revised Senate repeal bill keeps Obamacare taxes, adds funding for poor and opioid epidemicSenate Republicans' latest health bill keeps some Obamacare taxes on the wealthy and directs more than $100 billion in new spending to help low-income Americans buy coverage and combat the opioid epidemic. A revised Obamacare repeal plan also includes a proposal, designed to mollify conservatives, that would allow insurers that sell plans meeting Obamacare’s coverage requirements to also sell skimpier, less expensive plans that don't comply with the law. also adds $45 billion to address the opioid crisis, which could help win over moderates like Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio and Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia. Conservative advocacy groups at first reacted cautiously to the new plan. “Over the past two weeks, conservatives have rightly fought to interject additional consumer choice and competition into an otherwise deteriorating market,” Heritage Action CEO Michael Needham said in a statement. “It is encouraging to see some of those concepts being considered by the Senate Republican Conference.” The legislation is slated to receive a CBO score on Monday. But the analysis is not expected to cover the amendment being pushed by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) that would allow insurers to sell plans that don’t meet Obamacare’s coverage requirements. That provision could still be removed or changed before the legislation comes up for a vote. Insurers have warned that it would be unworkable because sicker, more expensive customers would be segregated in one risk pool and premiums would skyrocket. “I think they’re trying to find a way to make his approach workable in the context of the other, broader insurance marketplace,” said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, a member of the GOP leadership team, before entering a meeting to discuss the new draft. more about the updated bill, here www.politico.com/story/2017/07/13/what-is-in-new-gop-healthcare-bill-240506
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Post by josephdphillips on Jul 13, 2017 16:22:24 GMT -5
More leftist crap from Politico. There is no opioid "crisis," nor is there an "epidemic." There are people exercising their right to become junkies.
Their addictions are on THEM.
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