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Post by men an tol on Jan 21, 2017 19:03:29 GMT -5
We had martial law in Los Angeles in 1992. I have fond memories of it. We had martial law in Escanaba, MI in the late seventies because of a terrible blizzard and morons wouldn't stay home. The federal military being used in the States is a rare and complicated event. In 1937 here in Iowa we had actual martial law in one city. The federal military came in and had support of the State governor and State Legislature as well as support of the Federal Congress and President. When that federal Military entered town all local and State services ended, included all courts of the State and lower in that City. All courts became military courts. Simply having federal military moving in to be accepted as martial law is not the way it happens. When I lived in Clintonville, Wisconsin we had the military in the town for 30 days but it was no martial law more of a military assisting local law enforcement. I’m not sure, but I believe that at the beginning of World War II in Hawaii the military was functionally used as if it were martial law. Years later a case where people were harmed made its way through the court system to the U.S. Supreme Court and it was decided that there was no legal marital law as the correct authorizations had not been completed. Much of this is defined by the Posse Comitatus Act. The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
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Post by beth on Jan 21, 2017 19:51:35 GMT -5
Ah .. I see where you're coming from ... but beware of what you hope for. If someone insulted Donald Trump (personally) he might easily use his influence and a bit of pressure to make it so. He might also institute martial law. Who knows where we're going from here? We had martial law in Los Angeles in 1992. I have fond memories of it. That was a damned rough time. I hope you don't have scars.
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Post by beth on Jan 21, 2017 19:55:37 GMT -5
Ah .. I see where you're coming from ... but beware of what you hope for. If someone insulted Donald Trump (personally) he might easily use his influence and a bit of pressure to make it so. He might also institute martial law. Who knows where we're going from here? do you check for monsters under your bed at night and the bogeyman? lol what fearmongering are you falling for? Chef, you get off a pretty good post now and then. I have to tell you, this is not one of those. I talk with a LOT of people, RT and online. You should give it a try. People who think they know it all, usually don't. I've never been under that delusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 21:17:02 GMT -5
do you check for monsters under your bed at night and the bogeyman? lol what fearmongering are you falling for? Chef, you get off a pretty good post now and then. I have to tell you, this is not one of those. I talk with a LOT of people, RT and online. You should give it a try. People who think they know it all, usually don't. I've never been under that delusion. I don't operate under any delusions thank you. You might be surprised how many people I am in contact but I never felt the need to broadcast it.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 21, 2017 21:42:46 GMT -5
That was a damned rough time. I hope you don't have scars. No scars, but it showed me the true colors of these "protesters."
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Post by beth on Jan 21, 2017 23:08:03 GMT -5
That was a damned rough time. I hope you don't have scars. No scars, but it showed me the true colors of these "protesters." ... and you assume they're all the same?
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Post by beth on Jan 21, 2017 23:10:37 GMT -5
Chef, you get off a pretty good post now and then. I have to tell you, this is not one of those. I talk with a LOT of people, RT and online. You should give it a try. People who think they know it all, usually don't. I've never been under that delusion. I don't operate under any delusions thank you. You might be surprised how many people I am in contact but I never felt the need to broadcast it. I think you missed my point, chef. Maybe that was my fault. I was in a hurry. The idea of talking with people is not a popularity contest, but an effort to suck up information from different points of view to consider. I don't know it all ... neithr do you.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 22, 2017 0:30:26 GMT -5
We had martial law in Los Angeles in 1992. I have fond memories of it. That was a damned rough time. I hope you don't have scars. There is nothing new about this as we have had a number of such events through the years. I was in Detroit in 1967 when the riots broke out and the 101st Air borne with rifles locked and loaded, was sent into the City and the people rioting either did as they were told or were shot. I lived in Lansing, Michigan when that Detroit riot Broke out and when I returned home, the city was ringed by authorities and those who tried to get into Lansing were stopped and if they could not prove a reason to be there they were sent on their way. We also had family friends who were members of the Michigan National Guard (which had been federalized) who were sent into Detroit on armored personnel carriers with loaded 50 caliber machine guns to control the riot of 1943. The Detroit riot of 1943 was pushed by whites and the riot of 1967 was pushed by blacks. In both the military direction was the same end the fighting and send those rioting home or arrest them. There was no talk, there was no negotiating, these people had to obey the military troops. In the mid-1960s I was living in Lansing and a near riot broke out as there was a killing of a very popular Italian high school senior by some blacks. The Italian gangs in the city began to gather and to arm. Blacks were also arming. In my neighborhood, the men starting gathering and arming to protect the neighborhood, I would guess that there were around 500 or more. The adult leaders of the Italian community called the Italian youth together and told them that it was over, they ordered them to go home. Because in those days the youth respected and did as adults told them. Citizens got together and ended it.
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Post by mouse on Jan 22, 2017 6:14:05 GMT -5
do you check for monsters under your bed at night and the bogeyman? lol what fearmongering are you falling for? Chef, you get off a pretty good post now and then. I have to tell you, this is not one of those. I talk with a LOT of people, RT and online. You should give it a try. People who think they know it all, usually don't. I've never been under that delusion. I also like to hear lots of different opinions ...quite often it can present a different angle or thought process..
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 22, 2017 10:25:38 GMT -5
There is nothing new about this as we have had a number of such events through the years. I was in Detroit in 1967 when the riots broke out and the 101st Air borne with rifles locked and loaded, was sent into the City and the people rioting either did as they were told or were shot. I lived in Lansing, Michigan when that Detroit riot Broke out and when I returned home, the city was ringed by authorities and those who tried to get into Lansing were stopped and if they could not prove a reason to be there they were sent on their way. We also had family friends who were members of the Michigan National Guard (which had been federalized) who were sent into Detroit on armored personnel carriers with loaded 50 caliber machine guns to control the riot of 1943. The Detroit riot of 1943 was pushed by whites and the riot of 1967 was pushed by blacks. In both the military direction was the same end the fighting and send those rioting home or arrest them. There was no talk, there was no negotiating, these people had to obey the military troops. In the mid-1960s I was living in Lansing and a near riot broke out as there was a killing of a very popular Italian high school senior by some blacks. The Italian gangs in the city began to gather and to arm. Blacks were also arming. In my neighborhood, the men starting gathering and arming to protect the neighborhood, I would guess that there were around 500 or more. The adult leaders of the Italian community called the Italian youth together and told them that it was over, they ordered them to go home. Because in those days the youth respected and did as adults told them. Citizens got together and ended it. It's a pity Los Angeles isn't under martial law all the time. We certainly need it.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 22, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -5
and you assume they're all the same? I assume not everyone should have the right to vote, and when they violently assemble, what they have to say goes in one ear and out the other.
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Post by beth on Jan 22, 2017 11:52:19 GMT -5
and you assume they're all the same? I assume not everyone should have the right to vote, and when they violently assemble, what they have to say goes in one ear and out the other. Why do you assume some people don't have the right to vote ... race? religion? income status? completed level of education??? Do tell ...
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Post by josephdphillips on Jan 22, 2017 13:40:57 GMT -5
Why do you assume some people don't have the right to vote ... race? religion? income status? completed level of education??? Actually, I should have said the privilege of voting. There is no constitutional right to vote. Felons don't have the right to vote. I would extend the restriction to misdemeanants and/or raise the voting age to 30. I would also require proof of identity and charge people a nominal fee to vote.
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Post by Dex on Jan 22, 2017 17:06:29 GMT -5
Why do you assume some people don't have the right to vote ... race? religion? income status? completed level of education??? Actually, I should have said the privilege of voting. There is no constitutional right to vote. Felons don't have the right to vote. I would extend the restriction to misdemeanants and/or raise the voting age to 30. I would also require proof of identity and charge people a nominal fee to vote. They ought to have to take a quiz in Political Science. If they don't pass, take a crash course.
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Post by Sysop3 on Jan 22, 2017 21:40:17 GMT -5
I'll go along with that, Dex. The people who care would study up and pass and go on to vote. The people who shouldn't be voting anyway, wouldn't care enough to go to the trouble.
It's likely a lot of these people that voted for D. Trump on the basis of "Make America Great Again" are going to be sorry. They should have asked him, "how". If he'd been honest, he'd have said, "however the fix it up guys I hire decide to do it" because I doubt if he has a clue.
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