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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2016 6:54:02 GMT -5
Expert on Salafism and Green party member Kurt Edler is proposing a radical idea on how the German government should handle the integration of Syrians and other migrants into German society. Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt. Mr. Edler admits after the attempted bombing in Leipzig and other terror attacks in Wurzburg and elsewhere, that Islamism has formally arrived in Germany. Speaking on the need for migrants to integrate into Germany he said, “the indigenous people themselves have completely disintegrated. The common word is dominant culture. There is none. There are lifestyle milieus.” [Aleppostein] Since there is no common culture, according to Edler, there should be no problem in simply creating what he calls a “New Aleppo” in somewhere like German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s home state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Chancellor is still reeling from the recent regional election loss to the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD). On the subject of the AfD Edler said support for the party was a reaction to the mass experience of “social modernization.” The new Syrian city would foster a sense of community that Edler says those in the West have given up on. “Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has said a wise phrase: ‘There is no society’. Indeed” he said. Adding that the concept of a homeland, the German word heimat, and notions of the West were “pseudo utopias” he added “the West has long since perished.” The idea of separate cities for Muslims has been floated before by a German academic named Ulrike Guérot who also agrees with Edler that the idea of “dominant culture” is “Fascistic.” The agreement of the two academics shows that the ideas may have growing prominence in German academic circles. On the notion of young radical Muslims Edler echoed comments made by French scholar Gilles Kepel who called the third generation of Muslims the “Jihad Generation” due to the rising popularity of Salfism among them. Kepel warned these young people could be taking Europe down the path of future civil war. Mr. Edler is more optimistic about the future of young Muslims claiming that Salafism will likely dissipate over time. “Much of what we experience as juvenile Salafism is a fashion and subculture,” he said. Part of the reason for this, he claims, is that the Islamic State is losing territory and battles proving that they aren’t the invincible warriors they portray in their propaganda. www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article158936917/Warum-nicht-ein-Neu-Aleppo-in-Vorpommern-gruenden.htmlwww.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/23/islamist-expert-give-syrians-city-germany/The German left and its self-loathing is phenomenal. No German kultur? Laughable stuff, it's wishful thinking and self-hating. As they say quite openly, they believe a dominant culture, ie the culture of the people and region, is “Fascistic". I had to laugh at the idea that attempting [spectacularly unsuccessfully] to integrate a 7th century culture into a 21st century culture is modernisation. Ha ha ha, very funny stuff. Rather than give them cities of their own to make into hell holes in Europe, just send them back to their own countries where the job has already been done. One minute the left hates apartheid and the next it's calling for apartheid. Most Orwellian.
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Post by mouse on Oct 23, 2016 7:19:17 GMT -5
Expert on Salafism and Green party member Kurt Edler is proposing a radical idea on how the German government should handle the integration of Syrians and other migrants into German society. Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt. Mr. Edler admits after the attempted bombing in Leipzig and other terror attacks in Wurzburg and elsewhere, that Islamism has formally arrived in Germany. Speaking on the need for migrants to integrate into Germany he said, “the indigenous people themselves have completely disintegrated. The common word is dominant culture. There is none. There are lifestyle milieus.” [Aleppostein] Since there is no common culture, according to Edler, there should be no problem in simply creating what he calls a “New Aleppo” in somewhere like German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s home state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Chancellor is still reeling from the recent regional election loss to the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD). On the subject of the AfD Edler said support for the party was a reaction to the mass experience of “social modernization.” The new Syrian city would foster a sense of community that Edler says those in the West have given up on. “Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has said a wise phrase: ‘There is no society’. Indeed” he said. Adding that the concept of a homeland, the German word heimat, and notions of the West were “pseudo utopias” he added “the West has long since perished.” The idea of separate cities for Muslims has been floated before by a German academic named Ulrike Guérot who also agrees with Edler that the idea of “dominant culture” is “Fascistic.” The agreement of the two academics shows that the ideas may have growing prominence in German academic circles. On the notion of young radical Muslims Edler echoed comments made by French scholar Gilles Kepel who called the third generation of Muslims the “Jihad Generation” due to the rising popularity of Salfism among them. Kepel warned these young people could be taking Europe down the path of future civil war. Mr. Edler is more optimistic about the future of young Muslims claiming that Salafism will likely dissipate over time. “Much of what we experience as juvenile Salafism is a fashion and subculture,” he said. Part of the reason for this, he claims, is that the Islamic State is losing territory and battles proving that they aren’t the invincible warriors they portray in their propaganda. www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article158936917/Warum-nicht-ein-Neu-Aleppo-in-Vorpommern-gruenden.htmlwww.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/23/islamist-expert-give-syrians-city-germany/The German left and its self-loathing is phenomenal. No German kultur? Laughable stuff, it's wishful thinking and self-hating. As they say quite openly, they believe a dominant culture, ie the culture of the people and region, is “Fascistic". I had to laugh at the idea that attempting [spectacularly unsuccessfully] to integrate a 7th century culture into a 21st century culture is modernisation. Ha ha ha, very funny stuff. Rather than give them cities of their own to make into hell holes in Europe, just send them back to their own countries where the job has already been done. One minute the left hates apartheid and the next it's calling for apartheid. Most Orwellian. oh my word """"""Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt"". so lets get it straight if your not killing and maiming and destroying ....then theres no culture ... these migrants cannot even be civil to each other so why would any one want to give them unlimited resouces and part of a country...its lunacy and sadly typical of the left if they cannot run their own countries why would any one think they would be successful in running part of any one elses country and most interesting of course would be ...who would fund this insanity... and that's with out counting the cost to Germans gerationals in any area given as for migrants intergrating...lawdy ..the only people expected to intergrate are non muslims the man and others like him are patently addled..i have a better idea...send them back to where ever they came from..and let them improve those areas instead of expecting miricales funded by non muslim tax payers as for no German culture...S-TRUTH...there speaks a barbarian who understands nothing the momo culture idea is a false premis..as every western country has interlocking cultures to various degrees...and guess what causes it..free will and choice ..stooopid stooopid cretin
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 13:06:21 GMT -5
Germany has no culture? I'm sure that would surprise Bach, Gryphius, Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kolmar, Rilke and even Wagner.
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Post by mouse on Oct 24, 2016 5:53:31 GMT -5
Germany has no culture? I'm sure that would surprise Bach, Gryphius, Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kolmar, Rilke and even Wagner. my favourite line from Rilke is "Got du bist gross"...for me it conjours up the vastness of the whole concept in a way that English simply cannot do and naughty naughty how could you miss out Wolfgang Amadeaus...he of the almost hypnotic beat.. tks tks
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Post by fretslider on Oct 24, 2016 7:23:20 GMT -5
Expert on Salafism and Green party member Kurt Edler is proposing a radical idea on how the German government should handle the integration of Syrians and other migrants into German society. Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt. Mr. Edler admits after the attempted bombing in Leipzig and other terror attacks in Wurzburg and elsewhere, that Islamism has formally arrived in Germany. Speaking on the need for migrants to integrate into Germany he said, “the indigenous people themselves have completely disintegrated. The common word is dominant culture. There is none. There are lifestyle milieus.” [Aleppostein] Since there is no common culture, according to Edler, there should be no problem in simply creating what he calls a “New Aleppo” in somewhere like German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s home state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Chancellor is still reeling from the recent regional election loss to the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD). On the subject of the AfD Edler said support for the party was a reaction to the mass experience of “social modernization.” The new Syrian city would foster a sense of community that Edler says those in the West have given up on. “Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has said a wise phrase: ‘There is no society’. Indeed” he said. Adding that the concept of a homeland, the German word heimat, and notions of the West were “pseudo utopias” he added “the West has long since perished.” The idea of separate cities for Muslims has been floated before by a German academic named Ulrike Guérot who also agrees with Edler that the idea of “dominant culture” is “Fascistic.” The agreement of the two academics shows that the ideas may have growing prominence in German academic circles. On the notion of young radical Muslims Edler echoed comments made by French scholar Gilles Kepel who called the third generation of Muslims the “Jihad Generation” due to the rising popularity of Salfism among them. Kepel warned these young people could be taking Europe down the path of future civil war. Mr. Edler is more optimistic about the future of young Muslims claiming that Salafism will likely dissipate over time. “Much of what we experience as juvenile Salafism is a fashion and subculture,” he said. Part of the reason for this, he claims, is that the Islamic State is losing territory and battles proving that they aren’t the invincible warriors they portray in their propaganda. www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/article158936917/Warum-nicht-ein-Neu-Aleppo-in-Vorpommern-gruenden.htmlwww.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/23/islamist-expert-give-syrians-city-germany/The German left and its self-loathing is phenomenal. No German kultur? Laughable stuff, it's wishful thinking and self-hating. As they say quite openly, they believe a dominant culture, ie the culture of the people and region, is “Fascistic". I had to laugh at the idea that attempting [spectacularly unsuccessfully] to integrate a 7th century culture into a 21st century culture is modernisation. Ha ha ha, very funny stuff. Rather than give them cities of their own to make into hell holes in Europe, just send them back to their own countries where the job has already been done. One minute the left hates apartheid and the next it's calling for apartheid. Most Orwellian. oh my word """"""Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt"". so lets get it straight if your not killing and maiming and destroying ....then theres no culture ... these migrants cannot even be civil to each other so why would any one want to give them unlimited resouces and part of a country...its lunacy and sadly typical of the left if they cannot run their own countries why would any one think they would be successful in running part of any one elses country and most interesting of course would be ...who would fund this insanity... and that's with out counting the cost to Germans gerationals in any area given as for migrants intergrating...lawdy ..the only people expected to intergrate are non muslims the man and others like him are patently addled..i have a better idea...send them back to where ever they came from..and let them improve those areas instead of expecting miricales funded by non muslim tax payers as for no German culture...S-TRUTH...there speaks a barbarian who understands nothing the momo culture idea is a false premis..as every western country has interlocking cultures to various degrees...and guess what causes it..free will and choice ..stooopid stooopid cretin JS Bach, Goete, Eisenstaedt and thousands of others must be laughing their heads off at these idiotic latter-day self-loathers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 7:35:49 GMT -5
oh my word """"""Mr. Edler contends that Germany has no real culture to speak of and that the migrants shouldn’t have to integrate and instead he claims they should be afforded their own city in an area like Vorpommern reports, Die Welt"". so lets get it straight if your not killing and maiming and destroying ....then theres no culture ... these migrants cannot even be civil to each other so why would any one want to give them unlimited resouces and part of a country...its lunacy and sadly typical of the left if they cannot run their own countries why would any one think they would be successful in running part of any one elses country and most interesting of course would be ...who would fund this insanity... and that's with out counting the cost to Germans gerationals in any area given as for migrants intergrating...lawdy ..the only people expected to intergrate are non muslims the man and others like him are patently addled..i have a better idea...send them back to where ever they came from..and let them improve those areas instead of expecting miricales funded by non muslim tax payers as for no German culture...S-TRUTH...there speaks a barbarian who understands nothing the momo culture idea is a false premis..as every western country has interlocking cultures to various degrees...and guess what causes it..free will and choice ..stooopid stooopid cretin JS Bach, Goete, Eisenstaedt and thousands of others must be laughing their heads off at these idiotic latter-day self-loathers. The Germans, to their credit, have a sense of responsibility for the horrors that they unleashed upon the world in the last century. You can barely walk down a block in a German city without seeing a tribute to a person lost in the Holocaust. They own what they allowed to happen. This is a trait that makes humankind noble. Some people never get there and get bogged-down in denial or justification. Repentance is quite the dazzling grace.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 24, 2016 8:12:17 GMT -5
Germany has no culture? I'm sure that would surprise Bach, Gryphius, Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kolmar, Rilke and even Wagner. It's a standard tactic of the left, deny that a people and its culture exist... BBC News told the nation that “a DNA study has confirmed” that London had always been the “diverse” and “cosmopolitan” city it is today. Except, the study hasn’t even been conducted yet, and previous studies suggest the complete opposite, save for a small number of “diverse” Roman masters who did not stay in the country.www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34809804There's a lot of self-loathing about....
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Post by mouse on Oct 24, 2016 8:15:25 GMT -5
modern Germans unleashed nothing on the world..and its illogical to expect them to take blame in any way for the past its a trait which far from nobility has stifled the German peoples for decades in various ways one of my friends is a daughter of an SS officer....it would be irrational for me to blame her for anything we can aknowledge the past ..we can learn from the past...and we can avoid a re run of the past but we cannot alter the past . constant apology and self loathing achieves nothing...its just self indulgent emotionalism.. irrational..it achieves nothing ..and oddly Germany takes the flack while another country who were doing the same things as Germany at more or less the same time and from whom Germany actually copied ..... is never mentioned the finest example of this emotional claptrap was a Christian chap at some gathering a few years ago who having wrapped him self in chains was kneeling with a placard around his neck saying sorry or a word to that effect...[most normal people cringed with embarresment at such a self egotistical display ] it was one of those pics which hits the front page on a slow news day
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Post by fretslider on Oct 24, 2016 8:27:07 GMT -5
modern Germans unleashed nothing on the world..and its illogical to expect them to take blame in any way for the past its a trait which far from nobility has stifled the German peoples for decades in various ways one of my friends is a daughter of an SS officer....it would be irrational for me to blame her for anything we can aknowledge the past ..we can learn from the past...and we can avoid a re run of the past but we cannot alter the past . constant apology and self loathing achieves nothing...its just self indulgent emotionalism.. irrational..it achieves nothing ..and oddly Germany takes the flack while another country who were doing the same things as Germany at more or less the same time and from whom Germany actually copied ..... is never mentioned the finest example of this emotional claptrap was a Christian chap at some gathering a few years ago who having wrapped him self in chains was kneeling with a placard around his neck saying sorry or a word to that effect...[most normal people cringed with embarresment at such a self egotistical display ] it was one of those pics which hits the front page on a slow news day If anything, the Nazi guilt trip on generations born after 1945 was totally over the top. Look what it's produced...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 8:46:43 GMT -5
modern Germans unleashed nothing on the world..and its illogical to expect them to take blame in any way for the past its a trait which far from nobility has stifled the German peoples for decades in various ways one of my friends is a daughter of an SS officer....it would be irrational for me to blame her for anything we can aknowledge the past ..we can learn from the past...and we can avoid a re run of the past but we cannot alter the past . constant apology and self loathing achieves nothing...its just self indulgent emotionalism.. irrational..it achieves nothing ..and oddly Germany takes the flack while another country who were doing the same things as Germany at more or less the same time and from whom Germany actually copied ..... is never mentioned the finest example of this emotional claptrap was a Christian chap at some gathering a few years ago who having wrapped him self in chains was kneeling with a placard around his neck saying sorry or a word to that effect...[most normal people cringed with embarresment at such a self egotistical display ] it was one of those pics which hits the front page on a slow news day We've acknowledged that I'm not very bright, but I kinda remember hearing about this dude named Hitler something-or-another. Maybe I'm confused. He had this funny moustache and thin, greasy hair...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 8:51:27 GMT -5
Germany has no culture? I'm sure that would surprise Bach, Gryphius, Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kolmar, Rilke and even Wagner. my favourite line from Rilke is "Got du bist gross"...for me it conjours up the vastness of the whole concept in a way that English simply cannot do and naughty naughty how could you miss out Wolfgang Amadeaus...he of the almost hypnotic beat.. tks tks The English can't do the naughty-naughty? Maybe you need immigrants to keep the population numbers up. You know what the Chinese say: No ticki; no tacki. It's not a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 9:08:55 GMT -5
Germany has no culture? I'm sure that would surprise Bach, Gryphius, Heine, Goethe, Beethoven, Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kolmar, Rilke and even Wagner. my favourite line from Rilke is "Got du bist gross"...for me it conjours up the vastness of the whole concept in a way that English simply cannot do and naughty naughty how could you miss out Wolfgang Amadeaus...he of the almost hypnotic beat.. tks tks Young Amadeus was actually a Salzburgian, but what's the difference when all is said and done.
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Post by mouse on Oct 24, 2016 9:43:50 GMT -5
my favourite line from Rilke is "Got du bist gross"...for me it conjours up the vastness of the whole concept in a way that English simply cannot do and naughty naughty how could you miss out Wolfgang Amadeaus...he of the almost hypnotic beat.. tks tks Young Amadeus was actually a Salzburgian, but what's the difference when all is said and done. true..but a rose by any other name etc etc
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Post by mouse on Oct 24, 2016 9:47:02 GMT -5
modern Germans unleashed nothing on the world..and its illogical to expect them to take blame in any way for the past its a trait which far from nobility has stifled the German peoples for decades in various ways one of my friends is a daughter of an SS officer....it would be irrational for me to blame her for anything we can aknowledge the past ..we can learn from the past...and we can avoid a re run of the past but we cannot alter the past . constant apology and self loathing achieves nothing...its just self indulgent emotionalism.. irrational..it achieves nothing ..and oddly Germany takes the flack while another country who were doing the same things as Germany at more or less the same time and from whom Germany actually copied ..... is never mentioned the finest example of this emotional claptrap was a Christian chap at some gathering a few years ago who having wrapped him self in chains was kneeling with a placard around his neck saying sorry or a word to that effect...[most normal people cringed with embarresment at such a self egotistical display ] it was one of those pics which hits the front page on a slow news day cWe've acknowledged that I'm not very bright, but I kinda remember hearing about this dude named Hitler something-or-another. Maybe I'm confused. He had this funny moustache and thin, greasy hair... """"We've acknowledged that I'm not very bright""" and sadly after what could have been a reasonable discussion you've just proven the point..by being childish...my 14yr old id more mature...am done
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 9:48:37 GMT -5
Young Amadeus was actually a Salzburgian, but what's the difference when all is said and done. true..but a rose by any other name etc etc What dat mean? If one is a good composer, one is necessarily a German? Or that you like Shakespeare? Or that Mozart was really an Englishman in a fluffier wig? I'm confused.
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