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Post by mouse on Sept 15, 2016 4:34:42 GMT -5
""""The decisive push came in December 2015, when Pakistan suddenly set a six-month deadline for the refugees to leave"""" sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander....and eventually many countries will have to decide what they are going to do about the numbers of incommers/refugees/illegals and yes people get caught up in repatriations and get hurt all over again..lose livilhoods and suffer...but what else is the answer  here in Europe and the UK we have great social problems ..where the infrastructure isn't geared to great influxes of peoples..and those social problems explode in many ways..school places..medical availabilities..the general welfare and housing costs...even down to the impact on roads and sewage system ..every thing stretched to almost breaking point..by increased numbers government cannot provide for the future when the numbers are unknown.....and so the whole thing goes into over drive and near melt down our government works on projected numbers...via numbers of births..which gives a rough estimation of how many midwives..teachers..nurses ..hospital beds..houses will be needed in the following years...when suddenly there is an influx the estimates go haywire...local county councils work on the same projections.. then you have the social issues of resentments for the people of areas who suddenly cannot get their children into their school of choice or nearest place or schools where siblings attend ..that causes problems same thing with hospitals..when people need ops/care/treatment and yet see incommers taking up beds and clinic care..people who have put nothing in getting treatment while local people who have paid into the system get sidelined so what do you do...how are these problems to be solved... BUT if one country can repatriate so can others....its a terrible problem..a human problem but its one which sooner or later will have to be addressed seriously |
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Post by Sysop3 on Sept 16, 2016 11:16:54 GMT -5
You're working on a double standard, Chef. If our borders should be tighter, then so should other countries have the right to tighten theirs. For every immigrant Pakistan turns out, there will be an immigrant the U. S. wants to get rid of. They all have their sad stories.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 14:23:43 GMT -5
You're working on a double standard, Chef. If our borders should be tighter, then so should other countries have the right to tighten theirs. For every immigrant Pakistan turns out, there will be an immigrant the U. S. wants to get rid of. They all have their sad stories. Not really. Pakistan has tight borders already but these people have been born and raised there, have gainful employment and homes to live in. Do you just uproot them and wish them well while they have no income or home and are sent to a dismal war-torn country? Same here....tighten the border but show compassion to those who have put down roots. This issue isn't about recent arrivals of illegal people....the man I speak with is 28 years old and knows no other life than the one in Pakistan. I used to be for kicking all illegals out until you really grasp what that means. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 16, 2016 17:48:42 GMT -5
I used to be for kicking all illegals out until you really grasp what that means. For every illegal who has put down "roots," there are hundreds, or thousands, waiting in line, abiding immigration laws, who can't. If you're at the movie theater, waiting in line to get your ticket, and someone runs right by you and watches the movie for free, the exhibitor is within his rights to not only eject that person from the theater but have him arrested. Imagine not getting into the theater at all, even with a paid ticket, because of that criminal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 20:32:16 GMT -5
I used to be for kicking all illegals out until you really grasp what that means. For every illegal who has put down "roots," there are hundreds, or thousands, waiting in line, abiding immigration laws, who can't. If you're at the movie theater, waiting in line to get your ticket, and someone runs right by you and watches the movie for free, the exhibitor is within his rights to not only eject that person from the theater but have him arrested. Imagine not getting into the theater at all, even with a paid ticket, because of that criminal. What is your proposal for removing 11 million plus people and the cost of such an operation? I'm not saying the system is fair, but how do you get them out? |
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 16, 2016 22:49:26 GMT -5
What is your proposal for removing 11 million plus people and the cost of such an operation? I'm not saying the system is fair, but how do you get them out? The cost is immaterial. It's only money. The first step is to go after their employers and make sure they're not receiving public assistance of any kind. Eventually they'll either go back home or they'll die off. |
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Post by mouse on Sept 17, 2016 3:46:55 GMT -5
cheffy wrote
"""Do you just uproot them and wish them well while they have no income or home and are sent to a dismal war-torn country?"""
yes you up root them and send them back
and if the country is dismal and war torn..then its needs people to re build and turn it from dismal into a place to live
if they want a good life..well go back and make a good life...it can be done ...but it wont be done if its most able are elsewhere...we have an awful lot of Afghans to and its time they were returned...a country cannot rebuild without the people to do it...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:47:13 GMT -5
I dare say a few people need to walk in another's shoes.
Refugees and illegal immigrants are two different sets of problems.
The Afghans assimulated in Pakistan as it's the same culture and beliefs unlike the Muslims being forced into Europe plus the Afghans for the majority, have registered idendity cards...I have seen one.
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Post by mouse on Sept 19, 2016 2:43:02 GMT -5
I dare say a few people need to walk in another's shoes. Refugees and illegal immigrants are two different sets of problems. The Afghans assimulated in Pakistan as it's the same culture and beliefs unlike the Muslims being forced into Europe plus the Afghans for the majority, have registered idendity cards...I have seen one. an identity card is what ? refugees..illegals and immigrants are indedd very different and had this group applied for Pakistani citizenship..then there would be no question of returning Pakistan gave them shelter...and now its time to return back to their home land |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 22:04:59 GMT -5
I dare say a few people need to walk in another's shoes. Refugees and illegal immigrants are two different sets of problems. The Afghans assimulated in Pakistan as it's the same culture and beliefs unlike the Muslims being forced into Europe plus the Afghans for the majority, have registered idendity cards...I have seen one. an identity card is what ? refugees..illegals and immigrants are indedd very different and had this group applied for Pakistani citizenship..then there would be no question of returning Pakistan gave them shelter...and now its time to return back to their home land A identity card stating they are Afghan citizens. Do you really believe sending 3 million people to a country that is still having war and is unstable is a good thing? People that have known no other home and are gainfully employed...it's cruel. At least wait until the war is over and the economy can start to recover....then start sending back Pray it nevers happens to you. |
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Post by mouse on Sept 20, 2016 3:21:52 GMT -5
"""A identity card stating they are Afghan citizens"""" exactly an identity card NOT a passport and not a permission to stay in Pakistan
and yes I am in favour of sending them back[waiting till the war is over would still evoke the same arguments]
they are Afghans NOT Pakistanis and its up to them to return
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""""At least wait until the war is over and the economy can start to recover....then start sending back""""
why wait till the war is over and the economy starts to recover...as Afghans is it not the responsibilities on them to aid the recovery and to make their country safe...them and all the other Afghanis...
I see our PM has said in future she only wants to allow in genuine refugees whose lives are in real danger..whether this will happen I don't know....but we certainly need to start more selective about who we let into the country
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