Post by men an tol on Sept 8, 2016 12:21:57 GMT -5
Kronks responded with, “ . . . No I do not think they have a better system. . . . That is not what they intended, the office should be be communication and ceremony only. . . . I am not sure if I should be going on courses, I think I would be better off giving them. M:D . . . . “
Well Kronks you certainly have a high opinion of yourself, but it is not reflective of the attitudes or the debates among the Founders at the writing of the Constitution, or the writing of the Bill of Rights, or the Ratification of either of them.
All of that was recorded and scores of dissertations have been written dissecting all of that. Your view is unique to all of them. I would suggest that you take courses about these subjects, one that is available over the internet for free, is from Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan USA. It is free by the way.
I have taken courses (still do), read an uncountable number of books, I have given college level seminars. The learning from all of this never ends. I suggest that you need additional learning to broaden your foundation of knowledge. But I doubt that you will do any of these things. I find it amazing that you have come to the conclusion (unique to you with the plethora of sources available) that the Office of President of President of the United States ‘should be communication and ceremony only’ which flies in the face of any of the Founders (they had experience with this as that was the position under the Articles of Confederation) beliefs and is far removed from the form of government within the United States.
The words you provided, “Founding Fathers thought of the presidency as an office of great honor and dignity, but one with little real power.” are basically from the earlier source you provided which is a nice source for the home work of school children but has nothing to do with the thoughts of actual Constitutional Scholars. (you might refer to Justice Joseph Story or Professor Randy Barnett for more realistic positions. Or, as I have suggested in the past, try the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers).
In the context of Constitutional functions, the Presidency is little different from the days of ratification. Certainly, there has been an expansion of Presidential power through just doing some things because no one says no, and even fewer expanded powers via Congressional enactment, such as the power to use the military short of a Declaration of War.
However, the President of the United States has real power, for example, the power to nominate individuals to the Supreme Court. Rarely are these turned down and this can have an impact on the nation for 40 or 50 years. The development of treaty relations is extreme power since they are rarely turned down and have the equivalency applied law.
With the expansion of the members of the Presidential cabinet, the President’s powers have expanded into areas never dreamed of by the Founders, not through Constitutional changes but by Congressional enactments which take on the color of law. One example here is the Department of Education which is one of the worse moves ever made by the President and the Congress.
There isn't a day that goes by that I do not learn some new insight as to our government, but the inability to realize the limits of one’s knowledge is a sign of a very weak individual.
Well Kronks you certainly have a high opinion of yourself, but it is not reflective of the attitudes or the debates among the Founders at the writing of the Constitution, or the writing of the Bill of Rights, or the Ratification of either of them.
All of that was recorded and scores of dissertations have been written dissecting all of that. Your view is unique to all of them. I would suggest that you take courses about these subjects, one that is available over the internet for free, is from Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan USA. It is free by the way.
I have taken courses (still do), read an uncountable number of books, I have given college level seminars. The learning from all of this never ends. I suggest that you need additional learning to broaden your foundation of knowledge. But I doubt that you will do any of these things. I find it amazing that you have come to the conclusion (unique to you with the plethora of sources available) that the Office of President of President of the United States ‘should be communication and ceremony only’ which flies in the face of any of the Founders (they had experience with this as that was the position under the Articles of Confederation) beliefs and is far removed from the form of government within the United States.
The words you provided, “Founding Fathers thought of the presidency as an office of great honor and dignity, but one with little real power.” are basically from the earlier source you provided which is a nice source for the home work of school children but has nothing to do with the thoughts of actual Constitutional Scholars. (you might refer to Justice Joseph Story or Professor Randy Barnett for more realistic positions. Or, as I have suggested in the past, try the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers).
In the context of Constitutional functions, the Presidency is little different from the days of ratification. Certainly, there has been an expansion of Presidential power through just doing some things because no one says no, and even fewer expanded powers via Congressional enactment, such as the power to use the military short of a Declaration of War.
However, the President of the United States has real power, for example, the power to nominate individuals to the Supreme Court. Rarely are these turned down and this can have an impact on the nation for 40 or 50 years. The development of treaty relations is extreme power since they are rarely turned down and have the equivalency applied law.
With the expansion of the members of the Presidential cabinet, the President’s powers have expanded into areas never dreamed of by the Founders, not through Constitutional changes but by Congressional enactments which take on the color of law. One example here is the Department of Education which is one of the worse moves ever made by the President and the Congress.
There isn't a day that goes by that I do not learn some new insight as to our government, but the inability to realize the limits of one’s knowledge is a sign of a very weak individual.