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Post by beth on Oct 1, 2015 13:49:07 GMT -5
Multiple people were killed in a shooting at an Oregon community college on Thursday, fire officials said. The shooter has been detained, a Douglas County fire official confirmed to NBC News At least one female was shot in the chest at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, the official said. Umpqua is a two-year school with roughly 3,300 full-time students and 16,000 part-time students. It was established in 1964. This is a breaking news story - just coming in. Go to the link and refresh your screen for updates and details. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officers-respond-report-shooting-umpqua-community-college-n437051 |
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Post by beth on Oct 1, 2015 15:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by beth on Oct 1, 2015 18:29:13 GMT -5
Here's a link to the best write up on this I've seen this evening. www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/index.htmlIt doesn't answer many questions but puts forth the information they are passing on to the public at this time. It's interesting (and horrible) to me that the people the shooter was posting with on social media were encouraging him and egging him on. |
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Post by kronks on Oct 2, 2015 0:32:49 GMT -5
Seems he was an upper middle class atheist.
That is quite typically of school shooters indeed I predicted that on a newspaper comment section and it seem I was spot on.
"Most other such shooting are the work of atheists, typically white upper middle class Godless creeps." - OK he was mixed race but I was spot on for the rest.
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Post by beth on Oct 2, 2015 1:35:47 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Oct 2, 2015 2:35:40 GMT -5
Seems he was an upper middle class atheist. That is quite typically of school shooters indeed I predicted that on a newspaper comment section and it seem I was spot on. "Most other such shooting are the work of atheists, typically white upper middle class Godless creeps." - OK he was mixed race but I was spot on for the rest. So you know he was actually British, then. But how do you know he was an atheist? In common with most religious nutters you have a lot of hate. Par for the course stuff, eh. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 14:35:21 GMT -5
He appears to have been a keen supporter of the IRA and a neo-Nazi.
He apparently singled out Christians for his rampage.
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Post by Transcriber on Oct 2, 2015 19:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by kronks on Oct 2, 2015 22:01:34 GMT -5
He appears to have been a keen supporter of the IRA and a neo-Nazi. He apparently singled out Christians for his rampage. I was a bit puzzled about the IRA thing, I was thinking perhaps he was off Irish descent, there was a jockey called Joe Mercer in England who I though might be Irish but turns out he is English. There are a few Irish Mercers though but not that many. I think maybe it was the rebel thing that attaracted him to it I guess. Doubt the IRA are too pleased about it!! They were fighting for a political cause not random pointless murders. |
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Post by kronks on Oct 2, 2015 22:03:33 GMT -5
Seems he was an upper middle class atheist. That is quite typically of school shooters indeed I predicted that on a newspaper comment section and it seem I was spot on. "Most other such shooting are the work of atheists, typically white upper middle class Godless creeps." - OK he was mixed race but I was spot on for the rest. So you know he was actually British, then. But how do you know he was an atheist? In common with most religious nutters you have a lot of hate. Par for the course stuff, eh. Seems to be more hate in you than me I would say, as he was singling out Christians for murder I doubt he was much of a religious man, indeed he seemed to have a lot of anti-religious hated in him, as did other school shooters. |
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Post by fretslider on Oct 3, 2015 2:34:51 GMT -5
So you know he was actually British, then. But how do you know he was an atheist? In common with most religious nutters you have a lot of hate. Par for the course stuff, eh. Seems to be more hate in you than me I would say, as he was singling out Christians for murder I doubt he was much of a religious man, indeed he seemed to have a lot of anti-religious hated in him, as did other school shooters. That's a very poor attempt at deflection, even by your low standard. Having no evidence whatsoever for your 'murdering atheist hypothesis' makes no difference, you believe therefore it is so. If you want to discuss people who hate, oppress and murder Christians on a daily basis, lets discuss Wahhabi Islam.... |
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Post by mouse on Oct 3, 2015 4:02:55 GMT -5
it really is time that America got a grip on gun ownership..
at the very least the keeping of guns in a safe place should be mandatary and inspected to ensure suitability
and making the owner of guns responsible for the use and the storing of the said guns would hardly be draconian
a solid gun cabinet of a certain stndard would not be an imposition on any ones freedom...
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Post by mouse on Oct 3, 2015 7:42:01 GMT -5
the Surname Mercer is not of Irish origin
Mercer is the old English name for habadasher or dealer in materials[cottons/silks/velvets etc etc]
his liking from a distance of the IRA and or neo nazis is of no great import in one way..
but in another way it is typical and shows a certain mindset usual to the insignificant male of low self esteem whose existence is of no importance
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Post by men an tol on Oct 3, 2015 8:29:16 GMT -5
it really is time that America got a grip on gun ownership.. at the very least the keeping of guns in a safe place should be mandatary and inspected to ensure suitability and making the owner of guns responsible for the use and the storing of the said guns would hardly be draconian a solid gun cabinet of a certain stndard would not be an imposition on any ones freedom... Mouse, I do understand your concerns, but with all due respect, what you suggest is merely window dressing so that people can think they are doing something. A something that by and large already exists in most places within the United States. Owners of guns are responsible for their use, just like any other property. Just like your car, just like a hammer, just like a kitchen knife., just like your pool in the backyard. Our President Obama added to these feelings of, 'we must do something' with his speech which was more political than factual. For example during the speech he asserted as fact that areas within the United States with the most control over guns are the safest areas and that is not only not true it is backward to actual facts as those cities with the most legal controls over guns are some of the worse areas of safety (from harm by gun use) in the United States. Lets say for argument's sake that we instituted new extreme gun control laws across the entire United States, does anyone believe that gun violence would decrease? Assume that the government confiscated every gun they could find, does anyone believe that the numbers of guns would be reduced by any appreciable number? Or, that gun violence would be reduced? One of the largest killings by gun was not in the United States but in Norway, 22 July 2011. Anders Behring Breivik killed 8 people by setting off a van bomb and then killed by gun 69 additional people. I believe that Norway has gun laws more restrictive than in the United States. However, in the United States the largest school mass killing was the Bath School disaster which was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary school children and six adults and injured at least 58 other people. Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder to take place at a school in United States history. No gun was used. As I stated, people are already responsible for the guns they own. More over, nearly every gun owner is already a pretty responsible gun owner. It is only a small percentage of people who have guns who use them with the intention to harm others. In fact, in the most comprehensive study even completed on gun use, Professor John Lott demonstrated (using official police and FBI figures for every country in the United States, that responsible gun owners use their guns to protect life and property about 2,000,000 times annually. More restrictions on gun ownership would likely have the effect of lowering that number. |
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Post by mouse on Oct 3, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5
I don't know enough about it to really argue the point so am not going to do so... but in several cases that I have read..the guns used were NOT owned by the ussers who killed but by family members...that being so I don't recall any thing about the family members being prosequted in anyway for allowing their weapons to be accessed and or used by a family member....am I correct  because if those weapons were kept in a safe place by the owners then only the owners would be responsible for their usage and the owners would also be responsible for allowing others to use them or having acess to them i gather in this case there was a small arsnel of weaponry...but its not clear on who own what """" Owners of guns are responsible for their use, just like any other property. Just like your car, just like a hammer, just like a kitchen knife., just like your pool in the backyard.""" i also realise that some one determined to kill will do so..via what ever means possible and its impossible to weed out all the twisted and dranged peoples in societies...and its not the guns which are the problem but the people who have acess to them |
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