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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 3:22:00 GMT -5
Hi Mike Marshall, I'm still waiting for the proof that you promised, you seem to love leaving me with my tongue hanging out expectantly. You said one time that you found some aspect of life repugnant, I'm still waiting for a reply.
I'm in the middle of reading a book entitled The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. You might find it interesting reading? It could even change your Agnostic belief. Wouldn't that be a surprise.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 3:44:38 GMT -5
For anyone who is interested in whether God exists or not, this might be a good book to read. It is entitled: The Late Great Planet Earth by the Author Hal Lindsey. I'm in the middle of reading it and it is certainly holding my attention. It is a very good read in my opinion.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 4:09:50 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!! In the first place, the multiuniverse model is only one of the various interpretations of quantum theory. More importantly, it is NOT claiming that 'spiritual' dimensions - assuming that such a concept can even be coherently formulated without self-contradiction - may or may not exist. The 'dimensions' posited by the E-G-W model are PHYSICAL dimensions and NOT 'spiritual' ones. Whether or not God exists, and I am an agnostic with a slight inclination to believe that there IS no God, the many-worlds-theory does NOT provide any support for the idea of his existence or the existence of 'spiritual' dimensions. The problem is that you interpret private visions as being on the same level as objective reality. The whole point about dreams, nightmares, mirages and hallucinations is that they are NOT real and can be PROVED to be false. Hi Mike Marshall, I'm still waiting for the proof.!!! How long will you keep me waiting? The physical Universe is composed of a coarse vibration. All others are of an increasinlgy finer vibration toward what I consider the Godhead until all is just white light. Because of the different vibrations, perhaps every dimension occupies the same space. These are my own thoughts. And not necessarily true.
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 4:58:56 GMT -5
"""At no time have I said that I am superior""" and at no time have I acussed you of saying such a thing ....have a re read of what is written as for the rest I have no idea what your on about..it has NOTHING to do with your post that I was answering and quoting Hi Mouse, Here is the post.!!! You seem to be inferring that I think I am superior or you are claiming that you are superior? Maybe you are quoting someone else? Who knows? read what wrote and all will become clear to you...let me repeat I did not say or infer that you thought you were superior now re read it slowly ..first I mention TWO posters...and then labeled 1 and 2 I quote them..using the 1 and 2 I then give my opinion ...it couldn't be clearer especially as I use the word HIS you didn't answer wh6y you thought you might be deprived of the ability to post we have two very interesting assertions.. both are believers who are intollorant of the bleifes or thinking of others which are different from their own... 1/ """No I don't condiser my thought to be equall to theirs I consided mine to be superior.""" 2/ ""I just give the facts as I see and experience them, in a calm, positive way."" no 1/ elevates his thinking far beyond rationality or logic or scholarship no 2/elevates random thoughts and happenings and presents as indisputable facts SL wrote """I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless of course you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts.""" who and when has anyone made any attempt to deprive you of the opportunity or ability to post ?? ..I sugest no one has done so nor has any intentions of doing so ...so whats with the sudden victimhood ? in general posts are not specificly to one person unless named ..and even then any poster can answer any post on any thread
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 5:29:56 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, it seems to me that you interpret postings referring to you as personal and meant as negatives. If so, you ‘are’ looking at the world through dark colored glasses. You seem to expect that others accept and read your postings even if they are not, or are no longer interested, that is your problem not theirs. It seems clear that your involvement with Eckankar is important to you, I would be surprised if anyone else here finds it important or now even interesting. So, continuing in the path you have already taken in terms of postings will likely continue to get the same result of diminishing interest. I suspect that you may find yourself talking to your own echo. Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!! why are you posting what is NOT true ..and what YOU have misread...its that sort of thing which can cause a great deal of trouble between posters """"I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior,"""please start reading what is written rather than what you think is writen...eg I wrote the word HIS and you are not a HE """"It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning"""indeed you have..and personally I wouldn't touch ekinkar with the end of a bargepole..its nothing more than a money making scam which preys on the gullible exactly the same as Scientology ...and other cults theres a huge difference between sharing good news and constantly banging on about something which is not good news to others ..others who have made their feelings quite clear.. as for the comos/universe etc any thing and every thing is possible ..there are more things Horacio
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 5:38:38 GMT -5
Men wrote """For those who I see as committed with a faith, it is very personal, their belief is whole and fully a part of them, and they have no need to protolyze."""
absolutely ..a quiet certainty and example .....rather than empty vessels which make the loudest noise
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 5:41:22 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I have read your post more carefully and understand it now. The reason I am so sure of my experiences, is because it is an out of the body experience so it is happening at that very moment. I feel the same way as if I was doing the same thing in the physical body, in other words, it is very real to me. Soul is a unit of awareness and I am very aware of what is happening to me.
Men an tol suggested that perhaps people are not interested in anything that I have to say to do with ECKANKAR and that is why I said: if that was the case then you could ignore my posts. As long as I am receiving posts I will continue to answer them according to how I see life as an ECKist.
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 5:52:38 GMT -5
Let's unpack that gibberish. You dpn't kniow anything about anything you are not even scientifc, science does not have mindlesss rules.My honours degree in zoology and botany say's otherwise. Science does indeed have rules, yet you refuse to recognise them with ridiculous demands to prove a negative. You're wasting my time again kronks. I've already given you evidence of a supermnatural being based on indisputable logicI fell off the chair at that one! Very funny. Based on indisputable logic? That is clearly no substitute for real evidence. You can play Schroedinger's cat any way you want. If I took you to hell and back you still would not believe it.You can't and everybody knows it. Duh. Unpack your own gibberish I don't bring any with me. You have no evidence God does not exist. Here is another joke: It is funny how atheists demand proofs for the beleifs of other when the have no proof for their own!! Rather ironic don't you think? what don't you understand....if some one asserts a thinking to be a fact it is up to them to prove that fact ..its not up to those who disagree..theres nothing ironic about it..its totally normal people could come up with all sorts of nonsence and claim their nonsense as fact if they didn't have to provide proof there is no beliefe system attached to those who do not think god exists..where as those who believe god exists have created an entire industries out of their believe so its in the interests of those who make the monies to ensure the believe continues ...
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 5:52:59 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning, because try as I might, none of you have come closer to the thought that there could be spiritual dimensions besides a physical dimension. I was watching on TV last night, a program by Brian Cox about the Cosmos. Apparently the Quantum Physicists now think that it is possible that there could be more than one physical Universe being created all the time, so it just goes on and on recreating itself, and all because of 'inflation' which supposedly took place before the ' Big Bang.' Don't ask me to explain it to you as quite a lot of it goes over my head. I enjoy the programs though. Anyway, I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior, which couldn't be further from the truth, but because of my experiences I have come to believe that I have indeed found the ultimate truth in ECKANKAR., so all I am doing is sharing the good news. This is a very normal trait in Human Beings, I believe.!!! can that be so bad? Usually that is how we learn, by someone putting forward a suggestion or declaring a fact, which we then decide to believe because it seems plausible to our ears. I guess it is a case of to each his/her own. So be it.!!! why are you posting what is NOT true ..and what YOU have misread...its that sort of thing which can cause a great deal of trouble between posters """"I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior,"""please start reading what is written rather than what you think is writen...eg I wrote the word HIS and you are not a HE """"It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning"""indeed you have..and personally I wouldn't touch ekinkar with the end of a bargepole..its nothing more than a money making scam which preys on the gullible exactly the same as Scientology ...and other cults theres a huge difference between sharing good news and constantly banging on about something which is not good news to others ..others who have made their feelings quite clear.. as for the comos/universe etc any thing and every thing is possible ..there are more things Horacio Hi Mouse, So I made a mistake, I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else. I apologise for my mistake, but like I said before you will have to state that I am not allowed to exercise freedom of speech.
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 5:57:19 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I have read your post more carefully and understand it now. The reason I am so sure of my experiences, is because it is an out of the body experience so it is happening at that very moment. I feel the same way as if I was doing the same thing in the physical body, in other words, it is very real to me. Soul is a unit of awareness and I am very aware of what is happening to me. Men an tol suggested that perhaps people are not interested in anything that I have to say to do with ECKANKAR and that is why I said: if that was the case then you could ignore my posts. As long as I am receiving posts I will continue to answer them according to how I see life as an ECKist. """"As long as I am receiving posts I will continue to answer them according to how I see life as an ECKist" does that mean you have no independent non ekist thoughts on anything...if so that's a sad state of affairs people answer posts on given threads inspite of the ekist filled replyed
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 6:04:21 GMT -5
why are you posting what is NOT true ..and what YOU have misread...its that sort of thing which can cause a great deal of trouble between posters """"I got the impression that Mouse thinks that I think, that I am superior,"""please start reading what is written rather than what you think is writen...eg I wrote the word HIS and you are not a HE """"It seem like I have been talking to my own echo from the beginning"""indeed you have..and personally I wouldn't touch ekinkar with the end of a bargepole..its nothing more than a money making scam which preys on the gullible exactly the same as Scientology ...and other cults theres a huge difference between sharing good news and constantly banging on about something which is not good news to others ..others who have made their feelings quite clear.. as for the comos/universe etc any thing and every thing is possible ..there are more things Horacio Hi Mouse, So I made a mistake, I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else. I apologise for my mistake, but like I said before you will have to state that I am not allowed to exercise freedom of speech. no problem we all make mistakes ..why would you think I would curb free speech ? in any way..because I certainly wouldn't ...but here is what you wrote ..and it puzzles me as to why you would think it..all though it has been pointed out numerous times there is a section for religious discussion rather than in threads where it has no relevance to the subject ...this time of course its the right place SL wrote """I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless of course you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts."""
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 6:16:13 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You know nothing about ECKANKAR.!!! You have to be a member in order to know. In the first place it is a bona fide religion. It is the Religion of Light and Sound. Light and Sound are the two aspects of the Holy Spirit as known in this material plane. We believe and follow the Holy Spirit and promote the unconditional love of God, which God freely gives to all Souls.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2017 6:36:22 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I am not the only one who quotes on the wrong thread, even you yourself have been guilty of this. Anyhow, If Trump can try to prevent freedom of speech, it is not beyond a reasonable doubt that others are capable of the same, afterall you are moderator of this forum apparently with power over the members. PS: it seems I have answered your post on the wrong thread, sorry Dex, Fretslider, Sysop3 and Beth. I do try my best not to make mistakes, but here I go again.
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 6:39:29 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You know nothing about ECKANKAR.!!! You have to be a member in order to know. In the first place it is a bona fide religion. It is the Religion of Light and Sound. Light and Sound are the two aspects of the Holy Spirit as known in this material plane. We believe and follow the Holy Spirit and promote the unconditional love of God, which God freely gives to all Souls. in my opinion its a sect/cult/scam/con ..my opinion of Ekinkar is entire gained from your self...and I have no interests of delving any deeper its only a bona fider religion on its own say so the message of a God is not hemed in by ""only those who are memebers in order to know"" only those who are memebers and have paid their dues ...since when did ANY god require a memebership and payment ? all that any god requires are those who believe ..this is as true today as it was in all the yesterdays and the failed gods of the past ... no god requires monies its only those who exploit in the name of god who requires hard cash...and they do very nicely thankyou
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Post by mouse on Mar 8, 2017 6:57:36 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I am not the only one who quotes on the wrong thread, even you yourself have been guilty of this. Anyhow, If Trump can try to prevent freedom of speech, it is not beyond a reasonable doubt that others are capable of the same, afterall you are moderator of this forum apparently with power over the members. PS: it seems I have answered your post on the wrong thread, sorry Dex, Fretslider, Sysop3 and Beth. I do try my best not to make mistakes, but here I go again. what are you talking about .for crying out loud you made a mistake ..owned it after a re-read and I said no problem...that was the end of it as far as I was concerned and now your off on a rant about Trump and the prevention of freedom of speech and make an unfounded allegation against me and my integrity and all because I asked you what you meant by posting a quote of your words ..which I still have no idea what you meant by this SL wrote """I will continue to express my beliefs in my posts if they are relevant to the posts that have been sent to me, unless of course you wish to deprive me of that opportunity by refusing to accept my posts."""
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