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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 5, 2017 23:19:24 GMT -5
"An atheist however is alone in knowing that there is nothing to know so probably has the edge." There is no god. Some will be horrified by the reality, others - like myself - knew it all along Hi Fretslider, I'm not horrified because I know the truth. Atheism isn't the reality, the existence of God is.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 5, 2017 23:28:30 GMT -5
It's not an overdone topic by any means. The conflict between reason and superstition is always worthy of debate. Only idiots believe in "god." Hi Josephdphillips, I would disagree with that statement. I have personal proof, I just cannot pass it on as it is of a spiritual nature. You only believe in things that are of this physical plane.!!!
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Post by kronks on Mar 6, 2017 1:14:46 GMT -5
Without God nothing would exists, there is no scientific explaination for creation, at least not one which does not breakk all the laws sciecne is defined by, thus only a supernatural explination is possible.
There is no scientifc explaination for the laws of science, indeed the are just magiced out of nowhere. That is becasue God created them as he created the universe.
Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright.
Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist.
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Post by men an tol on Mar 6, 2017 1:41:33 GMT -5
Without God nothing would exists, there is no scientific explaination for creation, at least not one which does not breakk all the laws sciecne is defined by, thus only a supernatural explination is possible. There is no scientifc explaination for the laws of science, indeed the are just magiced out of nowhere. That is becasue God created them as he created the universe. Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright. Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist. Kronks I suggest the following comments of yours are quite inaccurate: “. . . Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright. . . . “ While there are a number of different Atheistic foundations, basically it comes down to the fact that an Atheist (at least the perspective I represent) live in a world of accepting evidence supportive of fact. There is no such evidence for a God to exist therefore there is no God. At the same time that doesn’t mean that Atheists do not read and understand the various philosophical writings by religious Scholars as much of what they have written does not require the existence of a God. Your other assertion is also quite interesting in its lack of logic: “ . . . Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist. . . . “ You have worded this as being all inclusive of (all) philosophy and that is simply not true as many philosophical writings have been written by Atheists and yet others have been written by Religious scholars making philosophical pointes without reliance on the existence of a God. So, I am interested as to which writings of philosophical positions you are referring to, and by which scholars. With these questions I am not trying dissuade your apparent belief in a God, but rather simply trying to understand how these particular conclusions came to be, that is. Are they derived from some religious scholar (if so which ones) or are they just meanderings of your own mind.
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2017 6:34:15 GMT -5
"An atheist however is alone in knowing that there is nothing to know so probably has the edge." There is no god. Some will be horrified by the reality, others - like myself - knew it all along Hi Fretslider, I'm not horrified because I know the truth. Atheism isn't the reality, the existence of God is.!!! actually no..you do not KNOW the truth the reality is you BELIEVE you know the truth...a big big difference
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Post by fretslider on Mar 6, 2017 7:11:50 GMT -5
"An atheist however is alone in knowing that there is nothing to know so probably has the edge." There is no god. Some will be horrified by the reality, others - like myself - knew it all along Hi Fretslider, I'm not horrified because I know the truth. Atheism isn't the reality, the existence of God is.!!! I am pleased that your delusion keeps you happy. It's probably better to be messed up on religion rather than drugs.
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2017 7:15:44 GMT -5
Without God nothing would exists, there is no scientific explaination for creation, at least not one which does not breakk all the laws sciecne is defined by, thus only a supernatural explination is possible. There is no scientifc explaination for the laws of science, indeed the are just magiced out of nowhere. That is becasue God created them as he created the universe. Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright. Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist. man has always made up the idea of a god or gods to explain the unexplainable ....as far as we can go back in history man has had gods of one type or another is the god of Abraham any more valid than Zeus or Woden ...is Shiva more of a god than than Isis or the Moon goddess..gods exist and are made in th image of man in most cases..but certainly used as social population control and even some for what ever happening exists..Apollo..Venus..Neptune ..Thor there is no more proof of gods existence than there is that god does not exist..its all a matter of beliefe and to a very large extent social conditioning and tradition """science magiced out of nowhere"""... that's hardly correct is it....science doesn't ever just magic out of nowhere ..science is basicly scholarship into finding answers to questions of how things work ...exploring knowledge ..making use of availabilities..some times getting the answers is easy other times it can take decades...centuries ..with one thing depending on an others and science cannot move faster than the material to work with Daedalous and Icarus wanted to fly ..but flight didn't happen until centuries after with more and improved knowledge of areo dynamics and materials which took centuries to put into place Leonardo designed a submarine..again it was centuries after that submarines became a reality due to improved availability of materials and knowledger of pressures and design a very simple thing such as waterproofing took centuries to become an every day reality..starting with the expensive waxings via grease or tallow wax used on ships and mens cloaks through to today when waterproofing in inbuilt into materials via improvements of knowledge and materials
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 6, 2017 8:26:34 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm not horrified because I know the truth. Atheism isn't the reality, the existence of God is.!!! actually no..you do not KNOW the truth the reality is you BELIEVE you know the truth...a big big difference Hi Mouse, You don't seem to have any understanding of how spirituality works. When a person evolves to a certain spiritual level, they reach the stage of 'knowing' I came home from shopping and had just opened the front door, the moment I did that, I knew someone had been in my house whilst I was out. Because my son is the only one who has a duplicate key I knew that it must have been him.When I checked later, sure enough, it was.!!!
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2017 8:34:18 GMT -5
actually no..you do not KNOW the truth the reality is you BELIEVE you know the truth...a big big difference Hi Mouse, You don't seem to have any understanding of how spirituality works. When a person evolves to a certain spiritual level, they reach the stage of 'knowing' I came home from shopping and had just opened the front door, the moment I did that, I knew someone had been in my house whilst I was out. Because my son is the only one who has a duplicate key I knew that it must have been him.When I checked later, sure enough, it was.!!! what ? spirituality has nothing to do with feeling/knowing some one has been in the house ..that is more to do with the senses than anything to do with spirituality... I fear the wrong words are being used in the wrong contexts spirituality is to be very best of my knowledge and understanding way above the mundanity of the experiences you mention
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 6, 2017 8:36:06 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm not horrified because I know the truth. Atheism isn't the reality, the existence of God is.!!! I am pleased that your delusion keeps you happy. It's probably better to be messed up on religion rather than drugs. Hi Fretslider, I guess it comes down to what you think is true and what I think is true, as neither of us can prove it. So we will leave it at that. One thing I also know is true: my life is definitely not messed up.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 6, 2017 8:51:34 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You don't seem to have any understanding of how spirituality works. When a person evolves to a certain spiritual level, they reach the stage of 'knowing' I came home from shopping and had just opened the front door, the moment I did that, I knew someone had been in my house whilst I was out. Because my son is the only one who has a duplicate key I knew that it must have been him.When I checked later, sure enough, it was.!!! what ?spirituality has nothing to do with feeling/knowing some one has been in the house ..that is more to do with the senses than anything to do with spirituality... I fear the wrong words are being used in the wrong contexts spirituality is to be very best of my knowledge and understanding way above the mundanity of the experiences you mention Hi Mouse, It is the senses that tell us everything that we come to believe, without them, we know nothing.!!! Haven't you heard of the gifts of the spirit, knowing something that you shouldn't really know is one of the gifts. Jesus had many gifts of the spirit whch he used to help people. It seems that you are the one that needs to be educated in what life is all about.
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2017 8:59:32 GMT -5
what ?spirituality has nothing to do with feeling/knowing some one has been in the house ..that is more to do with the senses than anything to do with spirituality... I fear the wrong words are being used in the wrong contexts spirituality is to be very best of my knowledge and understanding way above the mundanity of the experiences you mention By Mouse, It is the senses that tell us everything that we come to believe, without them, we know nothing.!!! Haven't you heard of the gifts of the spirit, knowing something that you shouldn't really know is one of the gifts. Jesus had many gifts of the spirit whch he used to help people. It seems that you are the one that needs to be educated in what life is all about. """spirituality - concern with things of the spirit otherworldliness, spiritism, spiritualism internality, inwardness - preoccupation with what concerns human inner nature (especially ethical or ideological values); "Socrates' inwardness, integrity, and inquisitiveness"- """" the above is what I understand to be spiritual...indepths self probing probing..awareness and toward betterment of self and understanding ... not thinking some ones been in the house which is down to a very normal use of the 5 senses
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 6, 2017 10:39:56 GMT -5
By Mouse, It is the senses that tell us everything that we come to believe, without them, we know nothing.!!! Haven't you heard of the gifts of the spirit, knowing something that you shouldn't really know is one of the gifts. Jesus had many gifts of the spirit whch he used to help people. It seems that you are the one that needs to be educated in what life is all about. """spirituality - concern with things of the spirit otherworldliness, spiritism, spiritualism internality, inwardness - preoccupation with what concerns human inner nature (especially ethical or ideological values); "Socrates' inwardness, integrity, and inquisitiveness"- """" the above is what I understand to be spiritual...indepths self probing probing..awareness and toward betterment of self and understanding ... not thinking some ones been in the house which is down to a very normal use of the 5 senses Hi Mouse, you are beginning to exasperate me. Why should I suddenly know ( Feel Sure) that someone has been in my house, there was no logical reason to even think that. I am certainly not expecting anyone to enter my home when I am out. I told you it is known as the gifts of the spirit, but you refuse to believe me. I should know whether it is true or not because I am the one who had the experience. It is the senses that tell the brain and the brain analyses it and then comes to a conclusion which then becomes fixed as a belief. God knows everything and as I and others are heading towards the Godhead, when we reach a certain point in our spiritual development we are given the gift of knowing. I was also a spiritual healer many years ago, and I would also know what the person suffered from and where about on the person's body I should lay my hands so as to ensure a healing. Once again I suppose it is all just a figment of my imagination, according to you and some others. No wonder I am exasperated.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Mar 6, 2017 10:56:25 GMT -5
"""spirituality - concern with things of the spirit otherworldliness, spiritism, spiritualism internality, inwardness - preoccupation with what concerns human inner nature (especially ethical or ideological values); "Socrates' inwardness, integrity, and inquisitiveness"- """" the above is what I understand to be spiritual...indepths self probing probing..awareness and toward betterment of self and understanding ... not thinking some ones been in the house which is down to a very normal use of the 5 senses Hi Mouse, you are beginning to exasperate me. Why should I suddenly know ( Feel Sure) that someone has been in my house, there was no logical reason to even think that. I am certainly not expecting anyone to enter my home when I am out. I told you it is known as the gifts of the spirit, but you refuse to believe me. I should know whether it is true or not because I am the one who had the experience. It is the senses that tell the brain and the brain analyses it and then comes to a conclusion which then becomes fixed as a belief. God knows everything and as I and others are heading towards the Godhead, when we reach a certain point in our spiritual development we are given the gift of knowing. I was also a spiritual healer many years ago, and I would also know what the person suffered from and where about on the person's body I should lay my hands so as to ensure a healing. Once again I suppose it is all just a figment of my imagination, according to you and some others. No wonder I am exasperated.!!! Scottish Lassie, why do you care whether anyone believes you or not? If you believe isn’t that enough? We all have various beliefs that others do not accept, we state them and others can believe them or not. Some of these beliefs we back up with evidence that is acceptable to others and that can certainly generate dialog. If we state a belief of ours that has no evidence, then no dialog is possible and in the context of these forums others expressing opinions that reject a posting which has no evidence is as valid as the initial posting. To say that a poster is exasperated with others not accepting the posting which has no evidence is like ‘beating a dead horse.’ So let me suggest that others not accepting your asserted reality of your postings is not the problem, rather, it is your continual expressing exasperation that they do accept your posting which you offer as truth but with no evidence.
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Post by kronks on Mar 6, 2017 13:31:57 GMT -5
Without God nothing would exists, there is no scientific explaination for creation, at least not one which does not breakk all the laws sciecne is defined by, thus only a supernatural explination is possible. There is no scientifc explaination for the laws of science, indeed the are just magiced out of nowhere. That is becasue God created them as he created the universe. Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright. Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist. Kronks I suggest the following comments of yours are quite inaccurate: “. . . Atheists have absolutely no proof there for their believe God does not exists yet they are happy to believe that without any proof, which make them huge hypocrites, or not very bright. . . . “ While there are a number of different Atheistic foundations, basically it comes down to the fact that an Atheist (at least the perspective I represent) live in a world of accepting evidence supportive of fact. There is no such evidence for a God to exist therefore there is no God. At the same time that doesn’t mean that Atheists do not read and understand the various philosophical writings by religious Scholars as much of what they have written does not require the existence of a God. Your other assertion is also quite interesting in its lack of logic: “ . . . Going by the basics of philosophy a God, a supernatural being, must exist. . . . “ You have worded this as being all inclusive of (all) philosophy and that is simply not true as many philosophical writings have been written by Atheists and yet others have been written by Religious scholars making philosophical pointes without reliance on the existence of a God. So, I am interested as to which writings of philosophical positions you are referring to, and by which scholars. With these questions I am not trying dissuade your apparent belief in a God, but rather simply trying to understand how these particular conclusions came to be, that is. Are they derived from some religious scholar (if so which ones) or are they just meanderings of your own mind. No that is just wrong, lack of evidence does not mean lack of existance. Further and of course lack of a natural explaination for our existance is indicative of a supernatural explaintion. There are many thing in sciece for which there was no solid evidence, but theory suggested might exist although there was no evidence, later however evidence was found. I am refering to my writings, by me. These are my beliefs based on logic as I have explained, as valid as anyone elses, moreso perhaps. To put it another way this is just semantics, I can say there is no evidence God does not exist there for he must exist. Further a lack of evidence may just boil down to your own incomptence in finding evidence so you can't draw a conclusion from lack of evidence. (even though there is evidence anyway, it is a question of whether you belive the evidence or not, so essentailly a matter of believe). Any though is just a meandering of the mind, it may be right it may be wrong only God knows the absolute truth. As you cannpt adaquately explain creation you can't really be making any definitive statements about it, what I think is reason is that as there is no scientifically possible explination then some higher power, some super natural power/emtity must be involved, that to me is the most reasonable position.
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