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Post by brumsongs on May 15, 2010 9:10:09 GMT -5
You're safe, Brum. The Inn Keeper here (me) is 1/8 native American. Lay out your time-traveled bed roll and relax. That is hands down the best offer I have had all week :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2010 18:58:00 GMT -5
Although I am married to a Romani, Ben, I only speak about 20 words of the language.
My wife Lin speaks about 500 so she could probably express it much better than I am able to.
I do know a few expressions, however, such as 'nais tukes' and 'kushti bok.'
Jen, I had no idea you had such exotic lineage. I am afraid that the most colourful genetic component in my own pedigree is French Huguenot.
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Post by beth on May 15, 2010 19:19:44 GMT -5
Well, my mother was German - both sides - solid. My father was French and Scots, but a great-grandmother was Cherokee. I'm mostly like my paternal ancestors, but the NA only shows up in dark hair and skin that tans very easily. Guess most of us in this area are a good mix of odds and tag ends. I do have someone back there who qualifies me to be a member of the DAR, but I've never cared about that - though my sister belongs.
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Post by ladyblue on May 15, 2010 19:41:28 GMT -5
Jencin it seems as if your heritage is similar to mine. I am Apache, Cherokee and Choctaw, along with German and bit of Irish. While doing genealogy research I found my 5th grandfather in the Revolutionary War. I also have service records for those of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War. I too wasn't interested in belonging to the DNR but I do enjoy doing family research. ~~Ladyblue
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Post by beth on May 15, 2010 20:30:44 GMT -5
Jencin it seems as if your heritage is similar to mine. I am Apache, Cherokee and Choctaw, along with German and bit of Irish. While doing genealogy research I found my 5th grandfather in the Revolutionary War. I also have service records for those of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War. I too wasn't interested in belonging to the DNR but I do enjoy doing family research. ~~Ladyblue That *is* similar. My mother used to say my father got thriftiness from the Scots, the heart of a romantic from the French and . . . . . the ability to run though the forests barefoot from the NA. lol She was kidding, of course and my dad thought it was very funny.
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Post by Erasmus on May 15, 2010 23:54:34 GMT -5
I always thought a Piky was a contemptuous Romany term for people on the road claiming Romany credentials without any connection and usually not even showing the respect that traditional Irish non-Romany Tinkers and Travellers would have had for the people on their rounds, even if they could play up rough - vagabonds sheltering under a false cloak they brought into disrepute. When my mother was a teenager in the 1940s it seems like Didikoi meant something of the same for non-Romany itinerants making a nuisance of themselves.
Today we distinguish between Travellers, Gypsies of Roma extraction who've been here since ever and recent Romany (whom a lot of people confuse with Romanian because so many of them come from there) who include a lot of thieving swine because you don't get from one end of Europe to the other after centuries of being put down by being nice to everybody. Like the Miller of Dee "I care for nobody, no not I, if nobody cares for me". When people suffer centuries of discrimination they tend to discriminate back and that does not make them very nice people. You can see it in far more than just Romany or black South Africans or Ghetto Americans or some of the viciousness that came out of the USSR.
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Post by ladyblue on May 16, 2010 7:09:30 GMT -5
LOL, yes jencin my mom used to tell me something similar. She would say I had the temper of the Irish, stubbornness of the Germans, and the ability of the NA to sneak up on anyone. I think it's funny how some traits follow throughout our family lines. ~~~Ladyblue
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Post by biglin on May 16, 2010 9:50:51 GMT -5
You're partly right, Dessi. A pikey is actually an Anglo-Rom (Romanichal) expression for a gypsy who's been expelled from the vitsa (tribe).
Of course over the centuries things have got very muddled. A lot of our slang has got taken up by mainstream.
Apart from pikey, which non-gypsies are increasingly using both as an insult for all travellers and Roma but also as a kind of 'trailer trash' type of expression for the white working-class and particularly the white 'underclass' in general, the word 'chav' (which means 'child' in Romanes) has also been taken up to describe a particular type of teenager who wears a lot of bling, tends to be a bit thick and tarty or spivvy.
There are at least a couple of hundred of words that have entered English from Romani culture.
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